Movies on the Side

Hello and welcome to Movies on the Side.

This is Stephen Robles.

And this is Nate Baranowski.

And today we're talking about a small
little movie that came out just this past

weekend, The Odyssey, directed by
Christopher Nolan and a cast

of characters like the world has never
seen.

Nate, you saw this movie at eight in the
morning,

is that right?

Eight forty five in the morning.

I didn't even know theaters were open at
that time,

which is wild.

I just checked what there is a 70 mm IMAX
screen in Grand Rapids,

Michigan. And I just thought, I'm gonna
peek at it.

~

I've seen it once. I could just look,

Just see. Just just look. Just look.

just to look. It is completely sold out
except for two shows.

And I want to get your thoughts on this.

Yes.

The one that's not there are two that are
not sold out.

One of them is at starts at one thirty
five AM.

~

A ~

Starting time

and that's like the front two rows have a
smattering in them and the other

one is six six thirty five A.

~

~ my goodness. Ha ha ha What?

Which of those shows would you rather go
to?

~

Would you rather see a movie at one

thirty in in the middle of the night or
six thirty?

Ladies and gentlemen, this movie is three
hours long,

let us remind you, or if you weren't
aware.

That means you said 135?

So you're talking about 435,

One thirty five AM.

and by the time you get home, you're
getting home at five in the morning.

Like you were either done the day before
and you slept when you were supposed

Yeah.

to be working, or you're done the next day
because you saw a movie all night.

Right.

I would probably do six in the morning
personally.

I mean I'm doing neither, but I would
rather do six in the morning I think.

But eight is really odd.

Right. I think I

had that feeling too, 'cause I feel like
you become nocturnal after a

one thirty AM showing. But this movie

I mean I'm over forty now, Nate.

is selling like hotcakes,

I believe is the term.

Nate, I it

yeah, that's exactly what the kids say.

A hot kick six seven, I think,

is people's username now. That's it.

Mm-hmm. Flapjacks.

I also thought about I saw this in just a
normal theater and I also looked

Mm-hmm.

up the only theater that is seventy
millimeter that I saw Project Hail Mary

at in Fort Lauderdale. And they have
they're mostly sold out through September,

Mm-hmm.

Nate. That's like two months away as we
record.

But there is an eight thirty in the
morning showing.

Mm-hmm. Uh-huh.

one day on like a Wednesday and then
there's like

a one thirty in the afternoon,

although maybe I should check.

Maybe it did say one thirty in the AM,

I know, ~ on a random day. I'm thinking
about it,

but probably I'm probably not.

I th

the location in the theater is I don't
want to go see seven seventy millimeter
IMAX

in the first row.

If so the I follow Patrick Tommaso who's
he's a super fun follow

on Threads and Instagram. He got to
interview Tom Cruise recently.

He's doing junkets now. He interviewed Ann
Hathaway and Matt Damon.

Ooh, cool.

Like he's doing the thing. He's made it,

right? And he says front row IMAX seventy
millimeter,

it's actually amazing and everybody should
do it.

Which I'm sure it would be immersive.

Ooh, okay.

Like you would be enveloped

It is coming

~ it is coming down upon you.

You would feel like you're turning into a
pig in real time.

T

It would

feel like you watched a fireworks show
from the barge where they launched

the fireworks.

You're lighting the firework. Like you you
are pressing the play button.

That is you.

But also like I would just be concerned
about the distortion factor.

Like I feel like maybe the Cyclops,

like his face is gonna be like a triangle.

Like his eye is gonna be thirty feet
across and his chin you know what I mean?

Right. I don't yeah,

Like

I I couldn't risk it. I couldn't risk it
that the fact that I would

Yeah. No, no, no.

get 'cause there's nothing I've been to a
few movies where I paid for a seat

and I had the thought I'm too close.

And even if I'm not too close,

that inception esque thought has been
started in my brain

Thought Yes.

I'm also worried about like ~ am I
watching a tennis match?

Like am I have to be like turning my head
like for the dialogue?

For a dialogue, for a back and forth
between actors,

Like when those giants hit you know,

yes.

one of the guys and he flies across the
screen,

am I be getting like whiplash?

Like, huh? ~ yeah.

looking around at it. All right,

before we talk about this movie,

Yes.

because I

I want to luxuriate in the fact that we
haven't talked about this movie.

We haven't.

And so like it's kinda like watching a
movie for the first time.

I'm so excited to talk to you about it.

Yes.

But before we do, a little bit of an
appetizer.

Yes.

Yes.

Steven, I have let the algorithm

of this movie I have let it wash over me
like the tide over

Mm.

Listen.

the Trojan horse. And I am not I'm not
sorry.

I don't I'm not mad about it at all.

No. Not mad. Not mad about it.

Not mad about it.

I probably the day or two after I saw it,

I'm talking.

Yes.

Eighty percent of every Instagram reel was
Odyssey based

Yes.

and I like a man at the Golden Corral,

I just kept fill up filling up my plate.

I still can't get enough, actually.

I would not be mad if every reel has to be
with the Odyssey.

The meme of Matt Damon screaming f during
the siren scene and people saying funny

things about that. I'm gonna post that
picture and say what it feels like when

someone says they've never used shortcuts.

I'm gonna put that on threads and sh you I
thought that was pretty good.

Ooh, okay. Yeah. You find your own way.

I w I was s yeah.

I've s I saw Tom

Holland and Matt Damon make a pizza,

a New York Times cooking. That wasn't even
a reel.

That was just me choosing a YouTube video
of them making pizzas.

it just happened it's amazing.

I know that Matt Damon is now gluten-free.

Things I did not know before this.

pff that's it. Really?

Everyone calls Anne Hathaway Annie.

Lots of things that I'm learning along the
way.

I will take it. I'm gonna take it all in.

I feel like I have a good week or two left
of just all Odyssey all the time.

I actually contributed a little bit to the
deluge of Odyssey content.

I don't know if you saw some of my tweets.

~ I would like to quickly read to you ~
three posts that I made about the Odyssey,

trying to trying ~ trying to be in the
zeitgeist,

of yourself. this is good. All right,

okay.

great.

I'm gonna give it a one through five of
how much I like it.

That was exactly what I was going to ask
you to do.

So thank you for doing that. I don't know
if you know,

but a lot of the discourse is about how
Nolan didn't doesn't like CGI.

A lot of it is done in camera,

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

practical effects, all of that.

So here was my first tweet that went semi
viral.

It said, Christopher Nolan used no CGI in
the Odyssey.

Those dudes actually turned into literal
pigs.

One guy turns out couldn't get changed
back.

Still a pig to this day. You were fighting
laughing.

That is very good.

You were fighting laughing. You can't hide
that.

No, ~ here's the thing. I already saw this
and I've I saw it both

on Threads and X. I believe Threads is
where it went went b yes,

Yes, yes. I cross post. I cross post.

Yeah.

yes. All out there. It was great.

It doesn't hit me particularly new because
I chuckled when I saw it the first time.

Maybe I'm more maybe I'm more up on your
social media.

Okay, well pretend you saw it for first
pretend it was the first time.

Thank you. Well what would you rate it the
first time you saw it?

that's a four. That's a solid four.

~ yes. That makes me feel so

It's great. It's it's great.

good, honestly. All right, here's my
second one.

~ this is a picture of Cersei the witch.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Okay, so it's a picture of Cersei.

Her actress her name is Samantha Morton,

the actress. I know the Odyssey pig scene
can't happen in real life,

Mm-hmm.

but if Samantha Morton brings food to the
cast Potluck,

I wouldn't touch it.

Mm two and a half. Fine.

All right, that okay, all right.

I'll t I'll take that. All right,

all right, well that two and a half,

that's fine. Last one, I will say people
say,

I think, you know, if

yeah.

we're gonna do a punch up of that last
one,

I would say if you just cut off the first
half of it and just said

Okay, okay.

if Samantha Morton brings something to the
t pot,

Hmm. That would have been better.

look, I'm not touching it. The end.

Wait a minute.

Like no w no context.

Nay, we need to we need to do weekly
workshops now where I just kinda give

you some tweets and you just tell me what
kind of changes we need to make.

Yeah, yeah. Little SNL writers room over
here.

Exactly. ~

from someone who'd

who like me never posts anything funny.

No, but y you save it all for the show,

which I'm grateful for. All right,

I do. I do.

this last one, it is a screenshot of the
history webpage,

like from the official history website
about the Odyssey.

And in the screenshot I have highlighted
composed nearly twenty seven hundred years

ago, Homer's epic poney Odyssey.

And then my post is people say no odyssey
spoilers,

Mm-hmm.

bro, to a twenty seven hundred year old
story.

That's it.

It

it is very good. It is a four,

a solid four. I saw it several times,

thank you.

so maybe they were ripping off your I mean
it's it's a common enough one that like,

Lessons Yeah, yeah,

yeah. Now well thank

hey, how can we do it?

you, Nate. I'm listen, giving me a couple
fours there.

I feel honored. Thank you for that.

Yep. Yep.

~ do we I mean, again, this story is
almost three thousand years old.

Do we say spoilers? I mean, we're gonna
talk about the movie.

I think we should

I don't want to think about spoilers at
all.

No, no, no, just talk about yeah.

So I think we should say like spoilers for
the movie,

I guess.

How many people

around the world do you think finally
realized that the

TSG entertainment logo animation where the
guy shooting through the axes,

how many people around the world realized
that that was Odys ~ Odysseus?

You know you know you the movie thing I'm
talking about?

Yeah, I

The t the

I'm pretty sure the animation even starts
with him shooting the the bow.

Yes. He pulls the bow and chooses half the
world,

So yes. I'm sure a lot of people are yes,

I think. Half the world.

learning about it. Also I'm not worried
about doing spoilers here because

I also think half the world has already
seen this movie.

I feel like they have it has blown away
all of the box office everything.

It is Christopher Nolan's biggest movie
ever.

It is like two hundred something million
two hundred and sixty-four million dollar

Mm-hmm.

worldwide worldwide debut. And ~ Nate,

Yep. I get it. And I get it.

I get it. Okay, l now let me ask you this.

This movie, if there was a a meter,

Mm-hmm.

like the old school thermometer,

like you're doing a school fundraiser,

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

and we call it the hype meter.

Mm-hmm.

Before you saw this movie, how did you how
high do you feel like that hype meter

it's great.

was before the movie came out?

If I could graph you know how when we both
watched the World Cup recently

Yes. We we were texting about sports.

as sports fans, both of us equally?

I think the f second time ever,

Yep. You know how like there's a graphic
that goes up that says like momentum
meter?

yeah.

Momento. I love that graph. It's a great
graph.

That's just and it happens th they do it
for like win probability in football
games,

and I always think like, okay,

you could just graph it by how far you are
up.

Sure.

About a year ago, I think,

when this was announced.

Yes.

And there was maybe an option to like buy
your IMAX tickets.

My personal hype was sky high.

When I heard it, Christopher Nolan,

The Odyssey, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in.

Yeah. And

That stayed super high. But then

I got the Matt Damon casting, I think,

at some point in time, and I thought,

I don't know. I don't know. I dropped a
little bit.

We're down at 75%. Like

Sure, sure.

Still Christopher Nolan, but I'm not sure
about

Sure. Right.

Matt Damon as Odysseus. We kinda go
through Tom Holland,

I was like ~

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's unknown.

And Hathaway

Unknown.

love her. I she's gonna make a great
Penelope.

Okay. Then we get to trailer time.

And that first trailer drops and I took

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

a dive because my initial thought to the
trailer was

Really?

I don't I don't know. I don't know.

I th there was a bit of a backlash to not
Archimedes.

What's the guy's name with the the bone
skull?

~ the main guy. Agam Magn. Yes.

~ Agamemnon. Agamemnon.

His helmet. There was a little bit of like
this.

He looks a little goofy in that.

How's this gonna look?

Which

he's owned the internet the last week,

let me just say. Agamemnon I've never read
the word Ora so much in my life.

I heard aura farming so many times in my
reels.

Yes, exactly. and so I dropped down and I
I my own expectations dropped.

But then about now we're at like a month
out from release,

Yeah, yeah, sure.

Mm-hmm.

and people start seeing screeners and

Everyone online is preemptively negative
about the movie until they

see the movie and then they're like,

This is amazing. He's outdone himself.

Nate. I Yeah.

And then people who I respect their movie
opinions were like,

You have to like it is you have to go see
this and all of a sudden I'm back up,

Yes. Yes. Hundred.

I'm through the roof, and I and I said,

That's it.

I'm either watching I I

I told Jill, I said, Are we watching this
together or am I going

out after everyone is asleep? Because this
will it will be watched.

It's happening either way. It it shall be
watched.

It shall be watched.

I was I was unsure w if I would go see
this and like whatever.

And then like you said, the screeners came
out and I saw this one reel.

I don't even know who it was. Supposedly
he was some famous movie critic.

He was like an older guy. And in the reel
he's saying,

like, There's three movies in my life that
ever changed my life.

this was Richard Roper. I believe I sent
you this video.

Is that what it was? Was it him?

From where Sisko and Ebert and it became
Sis you know,

Ebert and Roper? I was trying to think
which one.

R Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Then maybe maybe that was it. But he was
like there's only been two

Yeah. I think it was him, like outside
like in it with glasses on at

a little like table.

Yeah, okay,

yes. Yeah, you're right. Then you sent it
to me.

But yeah, that was what honestly convinced
me because he was like,

Yes, I did send it to you.

only two movies I've I've seen like
millions of movies.

Two movies have ever changed my life.

And now this is the third. And I'm like,

all right, we gotta go. I say,

Wendy, we gotta go. I haven't bought
tickets.

We'll see what's available. We saw it
Thursday night.

Pack your things.

We saw Thursday night before it even
premiered.

I asked for the special popcorn bucket.

They said it's not even out yet,

so we can't give you the popcorn bucket.

I said, That's fine. I would have taken

you wanted that Trojan horse. Man,

that would have looked

good at that shelf behind you.

I honestly I was really excited for the
popcorn bucket.

And then when I saw that it was a horse,

I'm like, that's kind of oddly shaped,

wouldn't fit great on a shelf.

I guess I'm good. Like I was okay.

Popcorn's coming out of a weird place.

Yeah, I was like, you deopen that.

Yeah. I out of its kangaroo pouch.

I don't like I don't like that.

But anyway, we saw this the Thursday night
it came out.

And so here's the thing. That amount of
hype before the movie,

Mm-hmm.

like in the weeks preceding, was out of
control.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

And like my energy was just like.

Just like static. Like I was just like,

Mm-hmm.

this is going to be incredible.

Immediately after seeing the movie,

I was like, that was amazing. I feel maybe
I wish it wasn't as hype.

A bit of a siren song. The hype was a bit
of a you'll be forever different

a bit of a sour song. But

and you I think your text to me after
seeing it was,

It is amazing, my life didn't change
forever.

That's exactly

what I said. And but so that was like
immediately after.

But now that I'm several days after,

one, I want to see it again. I saw a bunch
of people say,

actually, the second time is even better.

I'm like, shoot, now I gotta try to see
the second time,

It's marinated in your mind.

I guess. It's marinated. But also like the
zeitgeist like bolsters

the experience. But then I also like I was
j just as you popped in here to record,

Mm-hmm.

I was watching a reel from Ryan Holiday,

the author of Stillness is the key.

And he was talking about what the Odyssey
is really about.

And I'm sure you've seen like I've seen
reels of like scholarly like classical

scholars talking about the Odyssey and
Homer,

Mm-hmm.

the Iliad, and all of that, and comparing
the movie to the literary versions

Mm-hmm.

and how that failed. And then I'm seeing,

you know, the movie influencers,

and they're talking about it from a
different perspective.

And then I see this thing from Ryan
Holliday,

and he's like, the Odyssey is not about

Penelope or Odysseus or Telemachus,

like it's about you and how you respond in
your life

to challenges and giants. And what do you
do when you're trying to get home?

Or are you avoiding trying to go home?

And I was like, I'm back in. Hype,

the hype is just the thermometer's
destroyed.

I'm all in. Five out of five.

I'll say right now. Five out of five pigs.

Yeah. I mean, somewhere out there,

Homer's really bringing in the royalties
on this movie.

If only he knew. But can I also say like
we we've

How many

who's getting money from the Odyssey book
sales?

Nobody. No. It's gotta be open

No, someone's getting paid.

it's gotta be public domain. It's gotta be
like no one.

It's just like no one would get like
royalties if you use like

So like

the classical piece from whatever 1700s.

The original text of the Odyssey it is
entirely in the public domain.

Just a book printer.

You are free to adapt the story,

use the character names, and publish your
own versions.

Modern translations are protected by
copyright.

So modern translations I guess could be
that.

But

Maybe somebody's getting I assume

there's been a bump in the 'cause when's
the last time you read the Odyssey?

Or have you ever? 'Cause I think I was
like sophomore year of college.

I think I read s

I think I had a Western Lit class or
something.

I think it was actually in high school
that I was supposed to read it

and I read some of it. I read some of it
and then I did Spark Notes,

Are you spark notes?

which of course now I regret. Like,

man, I should have read that whole thing.

But

No, I I knew the the

main plot points, but I don't think I
remembered any of the themes

of the book because it was just get
through it.

No.

Yeah, exactly. So I don't know.

But okay. So here's the here's the thing.

Let's go. Let's go. Mm-hmm.

I d I don't even know where to start.

I'll start here.

I I actually have notes for this one.

do you well why don't you go? You have
notes.

I have some ideas.

no no.

No, I've I really want you to start here.

This was you that was a great start and
now I'm I'm ready.

I'm

I'm I'm like pumped. I will start with the
music because that was one

Mm.

of the the things that I watched before
seeing the movie was

how composer Ludwig Gurensen, I believe,

he and Christopher Nolan they didn't want
to use swelling orchestral scores because

orchestras didn't exist, which makes total
sense.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Like you're gonna have this Mahler style
romantic orchestra during this Greek

poem that was, you know, BC. So they made
instruments like this specific

lyre and this like flute type instrument,

this reed instrument. And I watched this,

I watched like five YouTube videos about
this.

And they they like looked at drawings and
paintings of these instruments

and what instruments were paired together
in the paintings and then composed

the scores related to those. And like
amazing.

And I also felt like

How are they going to build these epic
moments with this limited instrumentation?

Because they're not using this full
swelling orchestra.

He did it. Ludwig did it. He used vocals
to great effect,

Right.

swelling vocals, percussive type moments,

Mm-hmm. Bangin' on bronze.

like just drum beats or like banging on
the things,

like from the very opening of the movie.

But then also like the theme of Ithaca.

Like I went I've listened to the
soundtrack and like.

Just he th just the sounds, which are very
different and very not of our time,

are so affecting and mysterious and
amazing.

Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Just loved it. That's it. That's I was
that's what I wanted to say about the
music.

Yes. No, I I I

have almost nothing to add to it except it
is mostly like an incredible soundscape.

I have a question for you. You're
definitely the more musically inclined
person

Maybe. Sure, sure. Although you play the
Dulcimer,

of the two of us. ~ expert, maybe?

I pluck on the dulcimer every once in a
while.

which is pretty cool.

So Steven

Pretty good.

I definitely I mean the closest I could
possibly compare it to is Hans Zimmer with

Dune. Like the closest I could get to like
odd,

strange, but even that the Dune soundtrack
had a much more melodic

Yes. And it's Cynthia. Like it's Synth.

like memorable I c I I couldn't yeah and I
couldn't hum a thing

and it was definitely Is there any like
are you completely happy?

with this or it was is there part of you
deep down that's like,

I mean, I kinda would love if Hans just
took a run at this.

I don't Hans is a wonderful like let him
do Dune part three in December.

Leave Ludwig here. I felt like I wonder
your experience in the theater,

Okay.

like and I've seen this on social media a
lot.

There's certain moments that are just
insanely loud and like when

Yes.

the Cyclops yells in the cave,

Yes.

like in my theater, like I could hear the
rattling of the room and I'm like,

It just goes around you, right.

whoa. I was like, is this

At the decibel we're supposed to be at,

like what is happening here? And then some
of the music,

Yep.

I could never tell, like this low end
would come in and like it's not a note,

it's just a rumble. And I would always
have to like,

Mm-hmm.

is this a note? Is this a bass drum?

Is this the sea?

Yeah, is this like what what is this?

And so I I'm actually looking forward to
watching this at home in like on

one of my sound systems, so I can kind of
see like what what was I hearing?

Right.

'Cause in the theater, which it seems this
was everybody's experience,

like a lot sometimes it's just so loud you
don't even know what's happening.

Yeah, I think this was I'd say one of

one of Christopher Nolan's five faults
amidst a thousand strengths

is that sometimes you're left in a in a
dialogue scene like

what? What did you say?

I yeah, several times, yeah.

All I heard was BOOM BOOM

And sometimes it was when Penelope was
talking,

like Anne Hathaway would like talking to
Telemachus.

Like there's that roof scene on the early
on and I was like,

Wait, what did they say? Whitney,

did you hear what they said? I I kinda
wanted that.

We get IMAX subtitles? Is that

Kinda wanted that.

But in some ways I think the sound and

the soundtrack all aided to the story.

And I think that is one of the coolest
parts of this movie is that

I feel like everything, including the
parts I did not like,

aided the storytelling to a point where I
just like,

okay, I get it. Like there are

Yeah. Yeah.

the way that let's move into the way that
it was shot and how this movie doesn't

Yes.

feel like a movie that I have seen in a
long time because and I'm not

a big in this anti CG thing. I think you
sent me a video on he like

he uses plenty of CGI. Like it's like
there's plenty of of it in this.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I am not going to fall for the it was just
a twenty foot puppet of

a Cyclops the whole time. Like

I saw the puppet and I saw what was on
screen.

Yeah, exactly.

Like that might have been a performance,

but it definitely got some CG on top of
it.

So But

Exactly. But Yeah,

but I heard someone say,

yeah.

probably Matt Damon.

That having the mindset of we'll get it in
post is one of the worst things that

you can do on a movie. You want to try
your best to capture everything

in frame because the more you do that,

the more thought you've given into to the
lighting,

the more like like you actually have it
framed out as you want it.

And then the CG becomes the icing.

As it should always be, is that like,

hey, we took the jet skis around and made
the whirlpool.

Obviously, we use CG to make it look like
it's going down.

And but like we had the plate on top of
it.

We had the guys getting pulled out of the
ship.

This movie was shot in a way that made me
feel

Yes.

This is the opposite of a slick Marvel
movie.

This has grit,

but not like makeup on grit.

Yes.

Like real places,

No, no, no.

real rocks, real water. I saw a boat in
the middle of the sea,

and as it zoomed out, I was just like,

Yeah.

Yeah.

~ the sea is very scary.

And like no one told me that. There was no
indications except for the fact that

Right.

I saw a real huge body of water with a
boat in the middle of it and I thought,

Right. Yes. And they were really

Yeah, I wouldn't want to be on that.

they were really on the Mediterranean.

And I think that was one thing I walked
away is while I was watching the movie,

I felt like I was in the time period.

Not that I was watching people play
themselves in the time period,

but that I was like watching the time
period happen.

And like one of my favorite movies like in
high school or growing up was Troy,

the Brad Pitt Troy. And like that was fun,

Mm-hmm.

you know.

Yeah.

Him

and Eric Banner d dueling, like it's super
fun.

But if you like watch that movie now,

nowhere near as good as this, but it's it
feels like you're watching people

in costume play the part. And that was the
one thing that Christopher Nolan

Right.

can bring to this telling of the story is
like I am here in this time period.

And like I am I'm in it, and there's never
a point where I get taken out of it.

Yes.

Where something happens or someone does
something,

Right.

and it's like, wait a minute, that's you
know,

and

Some of the language at first was curious,

and people have commented on this where
like,

you know, the dialogue is not of the time.

Of course it wouldn't be in English
anyway,

Right. Right.

but that you know, there's modern,

like, you know, they say the F word,

which is on like, did that word even exist
back then?

Right.

Who knows? But you like you get over that
pretty quickly,

I felt like, and by twenty minutes in,

I was like, I'm here. I'm here on the
Mediterranean.

Right. Even with all these famous actors
in it,

Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

yeah.

Like

I went from being like, I no longer saw
Matt Damon as Matt Damon,

even Tom Holland, who's like wildly
popular.

Like I never thought to myself,

like, and that's Spider-Man now.

Like, I think about an hour in for me,

I was just like, I am completely in this,

which makes the stakes and the peril of
this movie feel so strong.

Where towards the end of it, I think
probably the last hour

Yeah, yeah.

If I don't have anything that tracks my
heart rate,

but I definitely could feel as we started
creeping towards him coming home,

this like it builds to the point going
back

Yes.

It builds. It builds.

to the soundtrack, when he strums that bow
at the end that syncs with

Main, I can't even.

the music, like ding, ding,

The music. Yes. Nate.

boom.

That

Did your crowd do any reaction at that
point?

You were in opening night. Was there any
cheers or anything,

or was it like silence?

It was silent, but I think it was because
it was so was there your nearest cheers

or anything? I think

No, there wasn't cheer. I mean,

I heard of

people watching it and then like when he
first strums it,

there's just like a

I I saw like reels of that,

but honestly, like it's such an intense
moment because you have been waiting

the entire movie for this moment.

Like the movie opens with the suitors at
the palace being jerks,

and you just want Odysseus to be there to
set them straight.

Mm-hmm.

That's what you're wanting the entire
movie.

Right.

And when he plucks that bow and everyone
realizes this is him,

it's like a so many movies we have talked
about on this podcast.

Don't stick the landing. And that was like
you hold up just the 10.0 sign.

Yep.

Like they stuck it right then.

And then I can I don't know if you had
this realization.

Right.

Earlier in the movie, Odysseus Matt Damon,

he says, like, they ask him, why do you
pluck your bow when you go hunting?

And he says, Well, because it needs to be
a fair fight.

Mm-hmm.

And I just and then I finally realized
when he plucked the bow at the end,

Right.

he was about to take out all those dudes,

and he plucked it so he could feel like it
was a fair fight.

Not only that, when he plucked it,

Robert Pattinson, who was a kid when he
when he like first did it,

Yes.

Yes.

knew what that pluck meant and ran for the
door.

Yes.

Everyone else was just staring and he knew
what that was like beginning

And hit for everybody.

and he was like, I'm out

Just and Robert Pan incredible he's a
great Batman.

Cheek

twitch, a real cheek twitcher in this
movie and mm.

But

he plays an an amazing snivelling,

just you wanna just you're you're glad
what you you're glad he gets what

Terrible. Just a yep. You want You want
him to get it.

Yep.

he gets at the end, you know what mean?

I th th what I do wanna say too is it just
about being in the time period.

Yes, I got past, that's Spider-Man,

~ that's Ann Hathaway. Matt Damon,

I was unsure, but like you said,

about an hour in, I was like, okay,

this is Odysseus, like we're good.

Mm-hmm.

Who I think embodied that feeling from the
beginning was Himesh Patel

as Odysseus's like lead man.

That dude I thought killed it in this
movie and I believed he was in

the time period the whole time.

The whole yes. The whole f the whole
thing.

Whole time. Great. Yeah.

Like yes. He's been in such like

different types of movies. But here I was
like,

Yes. He's the guy. Yeah, he's the guy.

Yep, he's in. Same with John Leguizamo.

I was this like I first saw him like,

Yes. Even with his accent. Like he didn't
even hide his

he's in it.

accent. It's just like New York accent.

~ all right, but go to your notes.

He's just doing it. Okay.

Go to your notes. What do you

All right. So here's something.

let's talk about quick quickly themes of
this movie.

And I specifically mean 'cause there are
many themes of it and many things

you can take from it. I want to know which
ones stand out to you.

Because I've heard many takes on it,

but here's some that I wrote down.

It's talking about legacy and what you
leave behind and grappling with your

own legacy. one another theme is regret
and that weight upon your life.

sure. Yes.

Another one is carrying guilt versus
letting go,

like the way that the guilt can play upon
you.

The other one is hero status and the ugly
side of being known for one thing.

But that being inconsistent with who you
are.

Another one, free will versus
predestination.

Like do you even have the the choice to do
things?

Death.

That is true.

His men are gonna die no matter what.

Yeah.

And the other one

was just a type of love that

is consistent and endures,

Indoors. Yeah.

an enduring kind of love. Any of those
themes personally resonate with you?

You know, the regret thing is big.

The one of the most affecting scenes is
the siren scene where Matt Damon says,

Tie me to the post. Interesting fact,

the sirens were stunt women and they were
on a literal rock in

the Mediterranean Sea as the boat passed
by,

and the one actor actually jumps out of
the boat and like jumped into

the Mediterranean Sea to do all of that,

which is amazing. But he's you know,

there's this quote he's quoting

during that siren song about how that itch
is the thing that you've always wanted

and you can't get to, and then you realize
it was the thing you already

had and lost, which is that regret part.

It's like so deep and powerful those ideas
and thoughts.

But also his pride, how often you see his
pride get the better of

him and basically cause so much of the
issues.

Like he didn't want to follow the way of
Agamemnon.

Right.

He wanted to

go away he thought would be quicker.

And that you could say caused most of the
issues.

Turning around to shoot the Cyclops in the
eye when they're already escaping.

Like, what an idiot. Like why would you do
that?

But it was that bit of pride and just like
frustration and letting that

get the better of you. And it was but then
also when he comes back at the end,

you know, Agamemnon, when he's in Hades,

dead Adam Agamegnum, tells him like,

I thought I was getting this welcome when
I went home.

And I did not. So be wary of what you get.

And the way Odysseus, after being gone for
20 years,

has the patience to go in and like,

let me see what's up first. And like not
like takes the time to develop a plan

and a strategy. And you almost juxtapose
the the brashness of his actions earlier

in the movie, like shooting the Cyclops
and going his own way.

Mm-hmm.

Versus now at the end understanding,

okay, I need to be more methodical,

more careful, like I need to be mature in
how I approach this situation.

All of it. Just all of it. All of it.

Right. And

the the ending bit we're doing spoilers
everywhere,

~ but the ending bit of him and Penelope
sailing away,

Yes.

doing the thing that she had recommended
they do at the beginning and

the fact that like all of it stemmed from
his regret of carrying

out Agamemnon's power

~ desire and breaking Zeus's law and like
he talks about the fact that like

he has he felt like he has destroyed you
know this civilization with

his trickery and everything all part of
the like I don't even want to come back

and face a different world than when I
left because of what I've done

and the fact that he's able to then go
back at the end and basically be like

Right.

Alright, I'm letting go of all that.

He he has a scene where he is just
floating on the raft,

basically being like, Just take me.

I can no longer I my choice is a my
control I can't control everything,

therefore like I have to

That was

that moment too as he leaves the island of
Calypso and she is telling

him you have to let go and just release
control.

You know, we talk I just mentioned Ryan
Holliday earlier.

Like it is those ideas of there are things
like if you try to control

it and there's just you don't have the
power to control them,

Yeah.

it will just breed frustration and
probably determine.

He tries to

control his crew, he tries to like like
control their own morality

and like that's all just Yeah.

I

will say when he walks over to that hole
and they're eating

the cow and he has and then Damon has that
look on his face,

I think I laughed out loud. Like that was
kind of funny.

He was like, Really, guys? Like I told
you.

Come on.

but

Yeah.

I think that was I think that whole him as
a hero,

but as a flawed hero, a flawed protagonist
that

Yeah. Yeah.

in some ways the like

It seems like Christopher Nolan takes his
lens and points it at Matt Damon

and be like, Why do you think he's cool?

If you thought it was because of his great
military mind,

it's actually something he regrets.

Like this shows Troy and all of that

as nasty nasty stuff.

Yeah. Bad.

Like

It's bad.

It's bad.

And and I think Cersei even says it in the
scene of like you call their savagery

like discipline and you say like they just
follow orders and they just have these

carnal desires, you think that that's a
pro.

Like this is actually like they're like
animals to me.

And the the fact that he has dealt with
the regret I I

r read somewhere that that the

Zendaya's face, maybe she might have been
the priestess for Athena,

and that so Athena, like the form of
Athena in his mind,

Yeah.

is seeing the beheaded priestess as part
of it,

Right, then they

and like that haunts him. It goes through
as a hero,

and the things that we would think in our
society is really cool,

is like you're an awesome fighter,

you're a great strategist, you're a cool
captain,

are all the things that are his downfall.

And the things that like even his fighting
off the suitors,

which we're like rooting for at the end,

that still comes with a bit of like,

~ this may cost him his life as well,

and all of this, like, is not necessarily
like this wonderful thing.

Right.

So

I I mean I loved the character and how it
makes us turn our more

of a Western mindset of what makes a cool
John Wayne esque hero and turns

Yeah.

it on its head and goes like, Hey,

this thing you thought he was really cool
for probably one of his worst qualities.

Yeah, and you they take Troy,

which is in movies or even in the stories,

just like they're just the antagonist.

They're just who we defeat. Like it's just
who is defeated in the story.

Right. Right.

They take it and turn it and they actually
make you have some compassion

on them because like that scene is
harrowing as they are destroying the city.

Right.

And then you see ~ Agamemnon's army as
these like vicious,

like no mercy dudes. Like well,

they're not good either. Like it's just so
yeah.

Right.

Costum

Side note, costume design for Arg
Agamemnon was amazing.

Like ~ wonderful.

Costume

design in general was excellent because it
was

so grounded and real in a way that felt
like,

this is not how I think of people dressing
up as Greeks and like Trojans.

Right, right. And it was Ellen

Mirotnik, I believe it's it. She was
costume designed.

She she killed it. And that that helmet
for Agamemnon is gonna be in memes

Okay. Yeah.

for the next five years, I think.

That's

you know, I hoped to see some ~ Comic

Con people cosplay and and make their own
helmets.

~ that'll be good.

That's like Mandalorian level quality
helmets.

But let's get to the worst part of this
movie.

That'll be good.

Wait before wait before you do,

before you do, I wanna just one more deep
thing as you were saying.

~ yeah yeah.

Tom Holland, you know, I was concerned I
would see Spider Man throughout

the whole thing. I don't think I did.

Mm-hmm.

And the scene where he comes face to face
with Odysseus outside the gate

and he realizes it's his dad, whom you
understand from the story,

~ huh.

he never s saw him. Like he wouldn't know
what he looks like,

Right.

but he just comes to know.

The dog cried, like I just cried when that
happened.

But but Tom Holland's face acting in that
moment when he's looking at Odysseus,

and I kind of am affected by fatherly
stuff anyway,

Yeah.

but like super deep. And as you were
saying,

Yeah.

themes of the movie, that idea of waiting,

just waiting and trusting that this person
who tele Telemachus

has no reason to trust, never.

Got to speak to him, didn't know him as a
father,

had no reason to trust, but just from what
his mom has told him and what he's heard

from other people and I guess what he
knows in his heart to just trust that

his dad was coming back and like I don't
know,

that that moment was was very effective.

And so thumbs up on that. Yes,

Hmm. Yes. Wonderful.

but the worst part.

Worst part is the body horror.

Nate, I was not ready for body heart.

It is the thing that when I think about
seeing it one more time in theaters,

I was like, I gotta do that one more time.

I'm going to give this as a credit.

The Cersei the Witch turns the men into
pigs.

There there is a lot of skin moving,

Yes.

jaw moving, transformation stuff that I do
not enjoy.

Let me tell you something. I don't think
we're supposed to enjoy it.

No, I do not.

I think it's meant to be pretty visceral
and scary.

Yes.

And the social media ~ reaction to it I
think is also that,

Yeah. It is not

like,

as scary as that trailer that plays before
this movie.

Jessica Chastain.

I was so I did I did not like that.

And it looks like no one liked it from
social media.

Okay, good.

No.

Good. Remove that from in front of the
Odyssey and you have

a great movie experience. ~

When did you close

your eyes for that trailer or did you
watch the whole thing?

I looked away. yeah, I looked away.

I don't close my eyes. I just kind of look
and let my peripheral vision catch

Wha at what moment did you know to look
away?

it from the side.

Did you w when

did you look away? At what moment?

Do you remember?

When the stove alarm started going off,

I knew before this is a horror movie,

~ but when the stove started going off and
there was a single teardrop coming from

What are you

Jessica Chastain's smiling face,

I said, You will not find me watching the
rest of this trailer.

One, Winnie turned over to me,

she was like, Pasta doesn't burn like that
in a pot.

And I was like, that's very good.

I didn't didn't think about that.

All right. That's it. That's yep.

And then two, once I saw Jessica Chastain
under that table,

eyes sealed shut the rest of the time.

To be to

be fair, I did however I did see her under
the table.

So I guess I was kind of like flickering.

That was all I

I saw under the table and I was like,

we won't be seeing this anymore.

No, no no no.

I don't let's talk about horror movies
real quick.

One more thing before we leave the
Odyssey.

Yeah. Everybody

wants Christopher Nolan to do a horror
movie now because of the pig scene.

Well, here's the thing. I am committed to
watching every Christopher Nolan movie

until he stops making movies, but I I
don't want him to do a horror movie.

Oof. Sure.

No, please, please don't. Do not.

Please don't. Please don't I like I hope
this like was enough.

Christopher Nolan, did you watch this with
people and see them cringe and go like,

Feel like yeah.

~ okay, good.

I hope not. Anyway, yeah, that trailer was
terrible.

But Cersei. What is the actress name?

Mm-hmm. Fantastic. Fantastic performance.

I'm trying to find it. Samantha Morton.

Samantha Morton.

Her performance was amaz. It is the most
disturbing performance.

And Christopher Nolan even said I saw an
interview where he was talking

to somebody in the junket, and he was
like,

We just let her go and it was pretty wild.

It's like

He I believe that she said that she didn't
know that she was like humming until

she saw the movie. Like she didn't know
like while she was in the scene,

she didn't know like part of it was just
humming a little tune.

Ooh.

Woof.

I don't like that at all.

I think that's good stuff. The I will say
this.

I don't like that tidbit.

I think every I'm not sure there's one is
there

a one I was a Travis Scott's bard at

the very beginning I was like

What is this voice? But that was back when
I thought that people were gonna

Yeah, what's happening?

be doing British accents, I think.

And the fact that when it was like,

I say, sure, sure.

everyone's doing sort of a vague American
middle America sort of accent,

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was like, all right, I'm back.

But I think everyone's acting performance
was like there was

Yeah.

no like super take me out of it
performance.

And I think Anne Hathaway

The way that she cries and breaks,

the way her chin trembles when she's
trying to hold in tears.

Yes. Yes.

I mean, we go back to the Le Miz,

I dreamed a dream scene, like no one face
acts sorrow like Anne

Hathaway.

Or when she realizes it's Odysseus at the
end,

like her face is the one you want to see
to make that realization.

Like amazing. But the pig scene,

So good.

Nate. ~

I don't know if there's

much more to say about it except when I
give my recommendations for people

to see this, whom I love, I tell them,

Yeah.

It's amazing, there's some body horror.

I just one, apparently there was a lot of
practical effects in that scene

of like modeling clay and stuff,

Yeah, I could see it. Yeah, yeah.

Like you

animatronics, whatever.

put your hand inside of a mouth that is
not a real human mouth and like,

okay.

Yeah.

I wouldn't know. I didn't see it.

But as the scene was happening,

I had my eyes closed, as you do.

You looked away

for it.

Yeah, I don't need those ~ I just just

I stared at every pixel of that frame.

I couldn't look away.

the first I saw like the first couple
seconds and that was enough to kind

of haunt me the night and the night after,

like just thinking what yeah.

Alright, so this is this is where

we want to talk. I want to talk about
horror movies for a second.

Just sort of like seeing Jessica Chastain
under a table.

If you see something,

Which on the face of it doesn't sound
scary,

if you see something, yeah, it it's
terrifying.

but

No, no, no, no, no,

It's she's not just sitting under the
table.

Let's just say that. It's sh she's not
sitting crisscross applesauce.

no. She's in a position you wouldn't want
Jessica Chestane or any human to be in.

She's not crisscross applesauce,

Correct. ~ listen.

okay?

I worry that if I stop watching after
seeing the scariest thing,

that my mind will go like, okay,

that's the opening frame for a little
brain picture I like to call imagine

the scariest thing to happen next.

So there is part of me that worries that
my own imagination is also

Sure.

a great horror director. And so sometimes
I think I must.

swim through the whirlpool to pivot out
the other side.

Mm. You gotta you gotta Winston Churchill.

Winston

Churchill says if you're walking through
hell,

keep walking. Or don't stop or whatever.

Right. And I kept

walking all the way to the pig time.

I see. Well I watched them return from the
pig time and so I at least

Mm-hmm.

got that which was much more mild,

I think. but I just I just need to say my
wife was sitting next to me,

Yes.

who does not like anything horror movies,

Yeah. Yeah.

does not like, you know, all that kind of
stuff.

And as I was turned ninety degrees with my
eyes closed,

I opened one eye to just see what my wife
was doing.

No problem. No problem watching the scene.

See, that's

the thing. Jill watched it with me.

She had no problem with that scene.

She said it was like modeling clay.

That's liter that was Whitney's words to
She's It's like modeling clay,

whatever.

Yeah, it

was just she was just stretching their
faces into pigs.

You know, as they do.

okay, I like I

guess your mind doesn't try to then
imagine what that would feel like

in real life later that night,

'cause that's what I do. That's why I
can't see it.

Mm-hmm.

'Cause that is horrifying. But anyway,

sorry.

I

think maybe you should watch that scene on
like a I'm sure you got like

an iPhone five laying around somewhere.

If you held that at arm's length and
played it

You know, I got an iPod video.

Maybe with my glasses off. Just so it's a
little blurry.

I think it's something sm if it's a
picture in

S small, post just.

picture and that's happening and on the
outside of the scene,

you know, is like yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like rainbows and
butterflies or something.

the the fainting goats happening or
something.

I well anyway, I might I might try to
watch it later.

'Cause that will be the scene like so my
oldest son,

he's a senior in high school this year,

Mm-hmm. Mm. Wonderful.

he's actually reading the Odyssey this
year.

So it's pretty well timing and like after
we finished watching,

even Wendy like, you know, rated R,

pretty mild R overall. Like the pig scene
might be why it's an R.

Cyclops chomps the dude's head,

but that's kinda from farther away.

It's not

Yeah,

it's darker, you know. But you know,

if he reads the book and we want to see it
at home,

do we skip the pig scene? Do we you know,

that'll be the question. I don't know.

Yeah, for sure.

I don't know. We'll see. I will not be
watching we'll see.

I'll I'll I'll think about it.

I think you will.

I think you will. I have a tiny,

We'll see.

tiny knit to pick in this fantastic movie.

Okay. Sure.

I thought the tentacled monster,

there's a name Celia Scylla potentially,

that comes down and grabs them.

Something, yeah. Yeah, six of them.

Didn't love the CG of that.

That felt like do you remember Galaxy
Quest when there was a rock monster?

Or like it if it felt like an early type
of CG.

I feel like Star Wars prequels CG a little
bit.

Yeah,

it felt a little a little Stargate.

Little Sarlac Pit.

A little Stargate Atlantis kind of like
feeling to it.

Yeah, that was a little

And so I had the thought of like Do it
there was there's been people

Yeah, yeah.

in this anti CG discussions that are
everywhere.

They're like, Yeah, and they really yanked
people out of there out of

Yeah, yeah.

the boat for real. I was like,

Well that's great, but

The tentacles.

The little the little rock thing that came
the tentacles w you know,

Yeah, but that's

that's all CG and I was like I didn't I
didn't think that was great.

Small knit to pick. That actually took me
that moment took me out of

Yeah, that was a little like small nit,

small nit.

the movie a little bit when I was like,

this has been so like in camera feeling
and then that was like what is that sort

Well when when they when it's when

of swirly rock?

it slurps back into the mountain I think
is what does it 'cause if you just

Yeah.

see the tentacles and the guy's throw like
I couldn't tell,

is this a kraken? Is this a you know,

you don't know what it is.

I wanted to know

the the the thing that's picking them up.

I couldn't discern a pincer?

Yes. Is that a mouth? Is that a pincer?

Is that a is there a thumb and a
forefinger?

Or is it just kinda like Velcro?

It looked like just a nub of rock came
down and st yes.

Just sticky. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. Like it's a I don't know.

I don't know. But that was that was it.

It wasn't a face. It definitely

wasn't face like.

I don't know if it had a face.

Side note sh yes.

I really wish I would have seen less of
it.

I think is what I wish. Cause I think

That I would agree to that.

I think speaking of a restrained part of
the movie,

the siren song moment of them putting the
wax in and the sound getting

all dampened and we don't hear the siren
song,

So good. You don't hear the sirens on?

but we just get to imagine.

Chef's

kiss. Chef's kiss. The Hades scene,

by the way, they actually buried the
actors in sand and they had

And gave him snorkels. Yeah, we.

si and gave snorkels. I think we've seen
all the same reels,

That's so cool. So cool. We have.

mate. I think our algorithms are just as
one this week.

Yes, we correct,

All Odyssey. ~ you got anything else
before we write this movie?

correct. And I don't mind. Okay.

I have one more thing.

Yes, please.

I really appreciate that this movie felt
like

an art form because it felt like it was
made by people,

Yeah.

a whole crew of people, who took their
jobs very,

Yeah.

very, very seriously. And that is
something that man,

Yes.

I almost well, am I gonna say it?

I am gonna say it. As an artist myself

Sure. Sure.

As a father, as an art

no, as an artist, I think that there

is something beautiful about making art
that is meant to entertain and delight,

and yet doing it with an intensity and
focus

and passion that

is way more than what actually it is doing
for the world.

Like going over the top with how much you
care,

even if at the end of it w like for
example,

what I get is a smile or someone enjoying
it for a little bit,

but I treat it with the type of care of of
like,

this is the most important thing in the
world while I'm in it.

I watched this movie and I felt like
everyone behind it felt like this was
super,

super important. And the care and the
craft of it shone through that

it wasn't just for box office or f there
wasn't a nostalgia play.

There wasn't a like, this is gonna rock
their socks or this is gonna make

for a great social media clip.

It just felt like a movie that was about a
story.

and a bunch of people very passionate
about making the best possible movie.

Yes. A hundred percent. And I think the no
CGI conversation

is really subconsciously a no AI
conversation.

I think people are saying that because it
is a anti if they I think what people want

I think it's a pro

to say

craft craftsmanship.

That's that's

what I'm saying. And I think what this
movie has done,

like in this particular period of time
that we are in,

where AI is here and all this stuff,

Mm-hmm.

people are like, okay, he did something
really hard.

The format is hard. IMAX cameras,

Yes.

first time the film has ever a film has
ever been recorded completely

on IMAX cameras. It only records for two
to three minutes at a time.

They had to build a stinking blimp to hold
it so it could dampen the sound.

They used mirrors

so they could see each other. We

They use mirrors, like like all of

that, and I think all of that actually
helps people understand,

like, okay, you can do something that's
really hard and it

be really great and people love it.

Like all those things are true at the same
time.

Yes.

And it is completely antithetical to
asking something to generate

an image that takes almost no effort.

It is almost no care involved.

And almost no one likes it. Like it is the
complete antithesis.

Right.

And I think one I think people wanted a
reason to go to the movies again.

Like we have not had this kind of moment,

Mm.

I feel like since Endgame, which the
incredible irony,

Yes.

we now have the doomsday trailer out the
day after the Odyssey premiered,

and it looks like it's not gonna be very
good.

And it's like But but Christopher Nolan
gave us a reason and the reason like

The reason why people went is because they
knew this was hard to make.

Everybody was invested, like you were
saying.

Like no one was messing around.

Like

It was a mountain

of human effort.

Yes. And like that almost made me
emotional.

Like to just to know like we are still
capable of this.

Even with all the stuff out there,

Right.

human beings are still capable of making
something like this.

It takes a bunch of people working
together,

working towards the same end goal,

and it is an incredible. And like he told
that story.

And that is something that

I think AI and the generation stuff like
it it doesn't have the ability

to tell a compelling story. And that's
what this was.

And it doesn't matter that the story is
three thousand years old.

You would think that that would somehow
make it less applicable to 2026.

But actually it is applicable today
because it was told so well

and everybody telling it cared enough to
do give it everything

Mm-hmm. Yep.

and like that worth it.

It shows that authentic craftsmanship

will trump overall spectacle.

Because the spectacle is not they shot the
most beautiful sunset

Yes.

in the world or the most deluxe castle.

Like it wasn't

That it was, this looks like a real castle
on a hill.

that's a real sunset. ~ there are really
dolphins out the side of this ship.

Which was total chance. Yeah.

Like, the the beauty of this film is
almost in

the fact that it trusts that we will
connect with the characters and

we will connect to the places.

And we don't need the most magnificent
sunset or the most magnificent vista

to wow us. We can just be wowed by the
fact that if you set up a camera that
takes

in every pixel of a Mediterranean rock and
the w waves lapping

on it and you like just record all the
sounds of those waves.

and take in all of the light into your
giant,

giant camera, that we as humans are still
capable of appreciating that.

And that's enough.

Yeah. And that it's funny you say that,

like when I first saw the Ithaca castle,

which like like the you see it early on in
the movie,

my first thought was like that's not
remarkable.

It's not a big castle, it's not visually
impressive as far as like

you see many other medieval movies and
castles and you're like it's huge things.

You know, Game of Thrones is huge things.

And like you're saying, i it was only
remarkable in a sense of like it was real.

Like that's what was remarkable.

It was real and there's real people
interacting in this real world and I

f like it was so real that you feel a part
of it for three hours.

And it's it's incredible and it's ~ it's
makes me optimistic that it's happening

Yes.

and that even if people don't articulate
or don't really know what they're feeling,

that I think we're all feeling that thing.

I have this movie has given me the most
hope in Hollywood that I've had

in a long time because I'm hoping that the
financial success of this movie will show

studios that, hey, we're not we don't want
to just like pump

out things like nostalgia plays and Shrek
Five and like

Shrek five.

You remember He Man, don't you?

Like go, go, go. And it's a little bit
more of it it's also it's

not necessarily funny.

But it is seeing the Moana live action
Odyssey

in the same theater comparison,

they feel like antithetical to one another
as well in the scheme of Hollywood.

Yeah. Yeah.

And so I'm hoping that this corrects in a
nice way of like,

hey, let directors cook, let them like
have some craftsmanship in it

and really like go for again, not an
original story,

but

like taking a a universal story and
bringing it to life.

I thought was very cool. Ready to rate it.

Very cool. Well, Nate, how

would you rate the Odyssey on a scale of
zero to five bows?

Let's let's be real here. Boom.

So good.

I'm gonna give the Odyssey five bows.

Thank you. Thank you.

I'm gonna give this

movie a five. Again, my knocks are like
would bring it down to like

a four point seven five. Body horror is
one.

But other and and I also don't know how it
will play on a smaller screen.

But I'm still gonna give this movie.

This is like I think Inception is probably
still my favorite Christopher Nolan

movie. I think this would be number two
for me.

Hm.

I think they're both fives.

I will also give it five bows.

I think the time that this movie happened

also speaks to how to the importance of
it,

which I think kind of whatever knocks
someone may have over it,

I think takes it past that. Like I think
dare I say it was important

for this movie to exist today in twenty
twenty six because of that.

Mm-hmm.

And

Like be just because of of everything else
that's going on.

And it also, you know, I see a bunch of
reels of people like

the post-movie huddles that happen where
people leave the theater

Mm-hmm.

and then there's like huddles of people
talking about the movie,

and then there's memes of people being
like when you don't have a huddle

to go to after the movie, and it's like
just a guy like wandering around.

But it is also telling of like,

no, people still want to do that.

And like people still look at that
happening and are nostalgic for

it and hopeful for it at the same time
because it is that shared human
experience.

And even if you're just experiencing
something on the screen,

if whatever was on that screen is powerful
enough,

it is a shared experience that is deep
enough to then connect you outside

of that theater to each other and like
like we have done for the past hour.

And so I think I think it was important.

Right. Yes.

It's five.

I left that movie theater for my eight
forty AM movie.

I was out by noon or whatever in the
middle of the day,

Broad daylight.

walked back to the car with my wife,

and she said to me, I'm not ready to talk
about it yet.

Just I just she just wanted to think about
it a little bit more.

We went to a restaurant and had lunch
together.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Brunch.

And

it was it was pa afternoon by then.

Sure, sure, sure, sure.

This movie's three hours long.

And we talked the whole time about this
movie,

the whole lunch, and she said,

I think this is the greatest movie ever
made.

That was her opinion on the thing and

She has even said to me this week,

and again, she was on the fence.

She wasn't sure how scared she was going
to be.

And from her perspective, from a scariness
rating,

she was worried that it was gonna be kinda
gory and scary,

got halfway through and realized she spent
sort of the first half clenched.

And then when she realized it wasn't going
to be that scary,

Yeah yeah. Yeah. Ready.

she like enjoyed the rest of it.

She mentioned to me this week,

half joking but half serious.

Maybe I'll go out one of these evenings
and just go watch it again.

Just go see it. So that is her review of
this movie.

Wow. Okay.

But the ability to discuss it with her,

It's high praise.

to talk with you about it. My brother's
gonna go see it soon.

I'm excited to talk to him about it.

I texted my dad, like, hey, you should go
see the Odyssey.

Yes.

I don't know how you feel about these
things,

but you should go see it.

Yeah. And that that has been I've seen a
couple people on social media that

I know asking like, ~ I don't have any
seventy millimeter I don't even have

any IMAX heaters, doesn't matter,

should I go see it? It's like,

go see it. Just go see it.

Yeah. I

just saw it in a standard a standard one.

Yeah.

I didn't see it in IMEX.

Just just go see it because it is
Zeitgeisty,

yes, but like the most justified Zeitgeist
I think I've seen in a long time.

Yeah. Are we gonna be part of the problem
by overhyping this movie before people

go see it?

I don't know, you talk about a couple
things you didn't like.

I feel like, you know, we're at least we
at least tempered it.

But I feel like it is also sure.

It starts rather slow. It gets it gets

going like it ramps you up to it,

which I think is is great, but if you're
used to you kids in your TikToks

Yeah, it wraps up, yeah.

and your Snapchats and your vines,

you're gonna have to wait a while for it
to get going.

Yeah, the vines.

That's true. The only ~ plot hole I saw,

they talked about inside the horse and how
they lost several men

Mm-hmm.

to drowning because the tide came in
because they were inside the Trojan horse.

And I'm like, they were on that beach for
ten years.

Right.

They didn't know how far to put that horse
inland?

Anyway, that's all I'm saying.

Right. And also,

they didn't tell Elliot Page that they
were in there to lie to him,

but like, hold on a second. What was he
doing while they were all getting

How do you

in the horse?

That's that's what I'm saying.

Like everybody was a ra

Hey, come over hey,

come over here. Come over here.

We're all gonna le we're all leaving for
sure.

We're all even.

Clam, clam, clam, clam, clam.

Just punched right in the face.

She goes, I need you to be knocked out.

We wake up. All right, d now tell it's a
gift.

Right yeah, exact yeah,

like yeah, I don't get that. But anyway,

five out of five. Doesn't matter.

go get us five star rating in ~ Apple
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please, in a review. Thank you.

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